Started by Pete, March 03, 2020, 05:54:10 pm
Quote from: LittleRocketBoy on March 05, 2020, 04:59:25 pmWhen all is said and done, we have 3 choices.Vote for those who hate Christ and want to continue to murder babies.Vote for nobody.Vote for the only candidate who is against murdering babies and at least gives the nod to free exercise of religion.All else is just wasted breath.
Quote from: Pete on March 05, 2020, 09:02:43 amWe'll probably have to agree to disagree on a number of points here.First of all, I don't agree that the media is satanic. Much of what I see people classify as "attacks" and "fake news" is really pretty accurate. I'm not saying the media is perfect. Far from it. But oftentimes I see someone complain about an article, read it for myself and think, hmm, that's pretty accurate. On the other hand, when someone posts something from the conservative media machine, it's usually vapid spin, replete with misinformation. Of course, I'm speaking generally, but that's my opinion based on what I've seen and read.Secondly, I absolutely do not agree that Trump is in any way moving us toward "what the Constitution actually says", but in order to have an objective discourse on that topic, we'd have to define what you mean. I've come to realize that a great many people have very different ideas of what the Constitution actually says. So is there specific text in the Constitution that you believe Trump is moving towards?O0
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Quote from: Pete on March 05, 2020, 07:31:47 pmHmm. I suppose I can understand your viewpoint. But if voting for Trump means sending America further down the path of authoritarianism while systemically destroying our way of law and government, you're OK with that? What happens when the political power shifts and the precedent of authoritarianism has been set and applauded by conservatives? What happens when "those who hate Christ" gain power and use the same authoritarian tactics against Christians?That doesn't concern you at all?
Quote from: Pete on March 05, 2020, 09:56:43 amAlso, let's talk for a moment about gullibility and the willingness of conservatives to believe anything critical of the democrats and beneficial to Mr. Trump.Here's a prime example; I have seen this article shared on Facebook by many of my conservative friends numerous times; The headline?Pelosi Diverts $2.4 Billion From Social Security To Cover Impeachment Costshttps://potatriotsunite.com/impeachbill/This article has been shared on Facebook (as of this posting) 4.4 MILLION times. The only problem? It's completely made-up nonsense.I mean, think about it for a second. The website is actually called Potatriots Unite. Not exactly a website that sounds like a legit news source. But then actually click on the article. Read it. It's pure satire meant to troll conservatives. Heck, it's emblazoned in the banner at the top of the page, stating "For satire, ridicule and mockery". Their about us page says in part;"Everything on this website is fiction. It is not a lie and it is not fake news because it is not real. If you believe that it is real, you should have your head examined. Any similarities between this site's pure fantasy and actual people, places, and events are purely coincidental and all images should be considered altered and satirical. See above if you're still having an issue with that satire thing." And yet, this hasn't stopped countless conservatives from sharing it as if it were the gospel truth all over Facebook multiple millions of times.It's hard for me to take people who post this kind of stuff seriously when they say that they only care about the truth.
Quote from: Pete on March 05, 2020, 09:02:43 amWe'll probably have to agree to disagree on a number of points here.First of all, I don't agree that the media is satanic. Much of what I see people classify as "attacks" and "fake news" is really pretty accurate. I'm not saying the media is perfect. Far from it. But oftentimes I see someone complain about an article, read it for myself and think, hmm, that's pretty accurate. On the other hand, when someone posts something from the conservative media machine, it's usually vapid spin, replete with misinformation. Of course, I'm speaking generally, but that's my opinion based on what I've seen and read.Secondly, I absolutely do not agree that Trump is in any way moving us toward "what the Constitution actually says", but in order to have an objective discourse on that topic, we'd have to define what you mean. I've come to realize that a great many people have very different ideas of what the Constitution actually says. So is there specific text in the Constitution that you believe Trump is moving towards?
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 08:27:02 pmJust a quick sample:https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/29/media-charges-trump-with-calling-coronavirus-a-hoax-he-didnt/
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 08:27:02 pmhttps://thefederalist.com/2019/08/05/media-condemning-white-supremacy-makes-trump-white-supremacist
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 08:27:02 pmhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/29/trumps-new-racist-tweetstorm-is-actually-sign-weakness/#comments-wrapper Except that what he said wasn't racist.
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 08:27:02 pmhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/08/facts-donald-trumps-border-wall-address-nation-immigration-shutdown-column/2503981002/ Ripping Trumps comments completely out of context, to the point of changing their meaning.
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 08:27:02 pmhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/07/17/donald-trump-racist-president-hates-what-makes-america-great-column/1743525001/
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 08:27:02 pmHere's our honest news turning on their own selves. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/04/trump-has-a-point-in-latest-war-with-cnn.html
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 08:27:02 pmBut it's not always what they say or print it's just as much what they refuse to report.
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 08:30:25 pmI don't see that authoritarianism you claim from Trump, but I do see it from the Democrats and media.
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 11:36:08 pmThe thing about the opinion pieces is that too many people are not distinguishing between opinion and news, and these elitists love that. They know that they can lie through their teeth, slap and opinion tag on it, but use factual wording, and Trump will now be a racist and misogynist, whether he is or not.
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 11:36:08 pmConcerning his Article 2 statement. I don't see the article granting him extraordinary power, and he is citing the constitution so unless he actually crosses the line, that one statement doesn't make him a totalitarian, especially when he is pressing for laws that gut his own power base.
Quote from: jiminpa on March 05, 2020, 11:36:08 pmThe thing is that as much as we may hate his mouth and his social media antics, the guy is probably the most constitutionally compliant president in my lifetime.Name any law that he has initiated, or advanced that exceeds the limits of the constitution. I would argue that he has signed budgets that are way illegal, but his options are limited, since there is no possible way Congress will give him a constitutional budget. There's the irony, the first president in 100 years not to trample all over the constitution and people are afraid he's a tyrant.I guess this is where our different ways of thinking become equivalent to speaking different languages, to me the filtering, (gatekeeping), and deceptiveness of the media is as plain as the water at the ocean, (or The Point, for us Western Pennsylvanians), and I genuinely don't understand how anyone can not see it. That doesn't just apply to Trump either. I've noticed it since 1982. It's the world's system being the world's system. They have absolute control of the information gateways and we see only what they show us.
Quote from: Pete on March 09, 2020, 08:23:52 amNO ONE in politics has any character or integrity
Quote from: Pete on March 09, 2020, 08:23:52 amIt would be another interesting discussion to talk about why abortion is such a hot button issue in the first place.
Quote from: Pete on March 04, 2020, 08:07:10 pmIt's not so much that I'm protesting anything as it is a personal choice for me. I cannot in good conscious call myself a Republican. I am a conservative-leaning independent. The Republican party is no longer representative of my beliefs and values, and it's not like the Republican party is going to select a different candidate.
Quote from: Balance on March 23, 2020, 02:00:13 pmI understand that the President is not a politician, he is bold, crass and at times demeaning. (just like a 71yr old billionaire business man).But what beliefs in the Republican Party have changed?They were Pro life before - still areThey were strong 2nd amendment before - still areThey were strong borders - still are.What within the party has changed?
Quote from: Pete on March 05, 2020, 09:11:42 pmMr. Trump has said, and I quote, "Then I have an article two, where I have the right to do whatever I want as President".
QuoteA question for you, Mr. President and Dr. Fauci, if we could. This would -- looking at this idea of an Easter timeline -- and I know that's probably flexible -- what are the metrics by which you will make the decision as to whether you can say, "Yes, we can open up this area of the country" or "No, we can't open up that area." I mean, will you be looking at disease numbers? Will you be looking at possible containment, isolation? What are you (inaudible)?
QuoteI think we'll be looking at a lot of things. We'll also be looking at very large portions of our country. And I will be guided very much by Dr. Fauci and by Deborah and by some of the other professionals that work with both of you.And we're going to see what -- what will be, but that would certainly be -- I think that's a goal that perhaps can happen, or at least for a very large portion of our country.
Quote from: Pete on March 26, 2020, 10:49:51 amWe are on track to surpass Italy in the number of infections in the next 2-3 days
Quote from: Pete on March 26, 2020, 10:49:51 amMr. Trump has said he'd like to open the country, or at least parts of the country, by Easter
QuoteMr. Trump: And you know, the good ones are very, very expensive. And you know, they'd say, like Governor Cuomo and others that say we want, you know, 30,000 of them, 30,000. All right. Think of this. You know, you go to hospitals, they'll have one in a hospital. And now, all of a sudden everybody's asking for these vast numbers. So -- but we have now companies stepping up and they're building them. They're doing the masks. We've already delivered millions and millions of masks. But remember, we're really a second line of attack. The first line of attack is supposed to be the hospitals and the local government and the states, the states themselves. I mean, we people like Governor Inslee. He should be doing more. He shouldn't be relying on the federal government. Governor Inslee, that's the state of Washington. He was a failed presidential candidate. And you know, he's always complaining. And your governor of Michigan, I mean, she's not stepping up. I don't know if she knows what's going on. But all she does is sit there and blame the Federal government. She doesn't get it done. And we send her a lot. Now she wants a declaration of emergency. And you know, we'll have to make a decision on that. But Michigan is a very important state. I love the people of Michigan what they do. I'm the one -- I'm bringing back many, many car factories into Michigan. And she is a new governor. And it's not been pleasant. And you know, you look around and you see what's going on. And by the way, most governors have been fantastic. I have to tell you. Most of them have been -- whether it's Democrat or Republican but we've had a trouble -- we've really had some trouble with the state of Washington. The governor, he's a -- and he ran for president, didn't exactly do well. He got zero. And we've had a big problem with the young, a woman governor from, you know who I'm talking about, from Michigan. So we can't, you know, we don't like to see the complaints. And I am getting along with Governor Cuomo. I think that a lot of things are being said that are more. I don't think that certain things will materialize. And you know a lot -- a lot of equipment's being asked for that I don't think they'll need but I'm building.
QuoteYamiche Alcindor: Thank you, Mr. President. I have two questions. The first is you've said repeatedly that you think that some of the equipment that governors are requesting they don't actually need. You said New York might not need 30,000-
QuoteMr. Trump: I didn't say that.
QuoteYamiche Alcindor:You said it on Sean Hannity's Fox News. You said that you might-Donald Trump:Why don't you people act, let me ask you-Yamiche Alcindor:You said some states-Donald Trump:Why don't you act in a little more positive? It's always trying to get you-Yamiche Alcindor:My question to you is-Donald Trump:Get you, get you, and you know what? That's why nobody trusts the media anymore.Yamiche Alcindor:My question to you is how is that going to impact-Donald Trump:That's why people...Excuse me, you didn't hear me, that's why you used to work for The Times and now you work for somebody else. Look, let me tell you something, be nice. Don't be-Yamiche Alcindor:Mr. President, my question is ...Donald Trump:... don't be threatening, be nice. Go ahead.Yamiche Alcindor:My question is, how is that going to impact how you fill these orders for ventilators, or for mass? Your views that-Donald Trump:It's not going to impact.Yamiche Alcindor:It's not going to impact you at all?Donald Trump:We're producing tremendous numbers of ventilators, we're doing a great job on it, Mike Pence, our vice president, just headed up the task force, which has been incredible the job they've done, we have everybody in the White House working on it, everybody in the country is working on this in one way or the other, the fact is we've done a great job of delivering. You've seen the biggest people in the business. I mean, there's nobody even close to this group of people, we had a meeting at three o'clock, it lasted for a long time, it was a great meeting with the generals, and with everybody else, and they have done a fantastic job. I'm just saying this, if they're holding ... Let me give you one example, we sent thousands of generators to New York, they were put into a warehouse, a New York warehouse, that happened to be located, interestingly, in Edison, New Jersey, they were given to New York, and we then went to other places also giving thousands of ventilators. The people in New York never distributed the generators. We said, "Why didn't you distribute them?" Now, you have to understand, they have New York people working in those warehouses, they knew they had them, so we said, "Why didn't you distribute them?" I hope they've distributed them now, but maybe they didn't need them so badly, but just so you know, we're all, you, me, everybody, we're all on the same team. When journalists get up, and you're a journalist, a fine journalist, when journalists get up-Yamiche Alcindor:I was quoting you directly from Sean Hannity.Donald Trump:... and ask questions that are so threatening, we're all on the same team.Yamiche Alcindor:I was quoting you directly from your interview with Sean Hannity.Donald Trump:Take a look at my interview, what I want to do is if there is something wrong, we have to get to the bottom of it. When I hear facemasks go from 10,000 to 300,000 and they constantly need more, and the biggest man in the business is shocked, he knows all about the virus by the way, he's not surprised by that, he knows all about it, he shouldn't be surprised, he should say, "Well, they're standard because this is really a very tough disease. This is really a very tough virus to handle." Okay, please go ahead-
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