Started by Bryan, December 07, 2018, 03:51:01 PM
Quote from: jiminpa on December 08, 2018, 01:14:37 PMForgiveness is an important topic. Jesus tied us being forgiven to how we forgive. God is both merciful and just, so He forgives, and for those who receive Jesus's payment our sins are not remembered and His justice is satisfied by Jesus's sacrifice. For everyone else His justice is not satisfied and He will poor out the full measure of His wrath at the appointed time. I know you know all of that, and I am just reminding you of the context of forgiveness. In practical terms, when Jesus walked as one of us He very often deferred judgement until the final judgement, but He did not accept the abuse of the pharisees until it was time to lay Himself down. I think it was Paul who made the distinction between just punishment and persecution, and I think that it is wise to know the line between forgiveness and enabling. When my parents were murdered I had to work to forgive the man who did it, but I have never felt it is okay to for him to not face the appropriate civil penalty.
Quote from: jiminpa on December 09, 2018, 01:20:27 AMBryan, how would you answer that question if it was someone you love dearly in the situation you ask about?
Quote from: Pete on December 12, 2018, 11:06:36 AMSo I think there are actually three things in play here when talking about forgiveness. Those are;ForgivenessRepentanceReconciliationThere is no doubt in my mind that we are called to forgive. However, when someone wrongs us, there must also be repentance for there to be reconciliation.Forgiveness doesn't mean that we have to allow someone to continue to hurt us. It means that even though they may have done something to willfully hurt us, we let it go. It does NOT mean that we must allow them to continue to hurt us.There can be forgiveness without repentance, but there can be no reconciliation without repentance. This is what we believe concerning the forgiveness of our sins. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. He forgave our sins, but we still must repent so that we can be reconciled back to Him.So in response to your OP, I would say that it's not on us to hold people accountable for the wrongs they've done to us. It's our responsibility to forgive them. It's their responsibility to repent and accept accountability for any wrong they've done.
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