Started by AudioArtist, December 15, 2011, 11:08:02 am
Quote from: jiminpa on December 15, 2011, 11:21:06 pmThe whole "where's that in the Bible" is in itself unbiblical.
Quote from: jiminpa on December 15, 2011, 11:21:06 pmWhat if the disciples were held to that standard on Pentecost? I don't recall the gift of tongues anywhere in the OT.
Quote from: jiminpa on December 15, 2011, 11:21:06 pmGod is always free to do anything He hasn't excluded by scripture.
Quote from: lismore on December 23, 2011, 08:42:24 pmDoes the supernatural experience glorify God? God alone deserves the glory. The enemy can never glorify God.So that's a straightforward test!
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on December 19, 2011, 07:48:18 pm not sure what you mean; isn't this what Jesus said here?: Matthew 4:4 KJVR(4) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God - can there be faith without scripture to base it on?
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on December 19, 2011, 07:48:18 pmdidn't they have this scripture to stand on?: Luke 24:49 KJVR(49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on December 19, 2011, 07:48:18 pmi agree - but isn't this true because scripture confirms it?
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on December 19, 2011, 07:48:18 pmon the OP; it's all about being led. if you're led by physical signs, there is a real danger that you'll be deceived, since satan can present himself as a shining angel. if you're led by the Spirit, you'll see the signs of the power of God without looking for them specifically - they follow believers, not precede them. while it's true that there's no indication that those who came to Jesus to be healed were looking for anything spiritual; the fact that they came to Jesus instead of physicians is an indication of faith. most who came to Jesus that we are told about asked for mercy instead of healing. and time and again Jesus linked their miracle to what they believed. GLY!!!
Quote from: jiminpa on January 02, 2012, 05:10:43 pmIt says every word, not just what made to ink, and it says nothing about limiting our obedience to the written word anyway.That was not scripture at that point. It was the spoken word, and speaking in tongues was not mentioned specifically, so the argument could easily be made that it was not specifically allowed by scripture, and could not have been from God, if the standard is only what scripture mentions specifically.IMO that is backwards. Scripture confirms it because it is already true.
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on January 03, 2012, 07:55:00 pmbut prior to scripture, God fellowshipped directly with man in a physical sense - a burning bush, or strangers walking up to Abraham's tent. However (IMO) man became so sensual, so focused on the natural that he lost the ability to recognize God through natural means (and the devil probably got a lot better at impersonating God) - so the scripture was given as the standard for recognizing Him GLY!!!
Quote from: AudioArtist on January 03, 2012, 07:17:37 pmI suppose it must be both. An 'impression from God' somebody has which contradicts Scripture (i.e to commit adultery or to gossip) most probably isn't true (I only say 'most probably' because I just re-read Hosea again and was reminded of the strange individual God picked for him to marry! But my two specific examples would never come from the Holy Spirit, because God doesn't tempt us to do evil.) I get very upset when people ignore Scriptural teachings; here we have a wonderful, mostly and miraculously preserved, inspired record - with words from the mouth of Jesus and the heart of God Himself - and people just ignore it or go with a whim or some other spirit! In direct violation of Scripture! Or Western Christians don't even know anything it says when many believers in other countries are so yearling just for a few pages of the Bible. On top of that, Muslims or atheists often know the Bible better than the actual followers of Christ. That's ludicrous. However, I have had the Devil use (or twist) Scripture against me more than I have had him do anything else. Amongst many things, He has caused me think I must earn my salvation, he has twisted scripture to make me feel condemned, to make me see God as anything except a Good Father, to cause me to be lax in how much I love those who might not love me (because many scriptures do not seem to conform to the command to 'love your enemy')...etc. The Bible is a long, beautiful, but often very difficult book (without the Holy Spirit's help), and in the hands of someone not in love with God can cause more harm than anything else. And I think it obvious that reality comes first, and then Scripture. Most things that happened in Scripture and were recorded happened with no exact precedent, of course. :-) And nobody demanded God 'prove' it was really Him back then by looking to a past, inspired writing when He spoke a fresh word or command or did a new (albeit not a contradictory) thing.
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