Started by LittleRocketBoy, August 23, 2008, 09:21:19 pm
Quote from: Sarah on August 23, 2008, 09:28:28 pmI guess the stickler there for me is, did they believe in their heart? There are a lot of people who go through the motions.
Quote from: Sarah on August 23, 2008, 10:40:37 pmAre you getting a sense in your Spirit that something isn't right?
Quote from: Tina on August 23, 2008, 10:44:25 pmThis is pretty right on, in my opinion, Sarah. How often have we heard of a pastor or minister who finally gets REALLY saved after 30-40 years in ministry? They had mental assent but not heart assent. When we are out on the street with the homeless we see these folks who know the Word and can quote it like Billy Graham. They say they love Him, yet nothing in the way they live their lives show any fruit of being converted. Often one of them will say the sinner's prayer with someone from our group. It has always bothered me when everyone jumps for joy and says "alleluia" afterward, especially when the person was drunk or drugged up when they said it OR we come back the next week and nothing has changed. IT HAS TO BE A HEART THING! (I personally and truly believe there are going to be fewer people in heaven than we expect.)
Quote from: LittleRocketBoy on August 23, 2008, 10:46:24 pmI am always weary of addressing such things to people. On the one hand you are concerned and you want to be there... but I never want to take away that which they do have. I don't know if that makes sense or not..
Quote from: LittleRocketBoy on August 23, 2008, 09:21:19 pmDo you think it is possible to go through an alter call, confess Christ, attempt to live the Christian life... for many years. And not be born again?
Quote from: Wordsmith on August 23, 2008, 11:11:52 pmI guess I believe in total predestination. Out of our control. I know that there is much in scripture about the word "chosen". But Gods grace will extend to the one that wants to be saved. When I was "called" or "chosen" if both exist, I was a nine year old girl that felt, leterally felt a gut wrenching twist in my gut that someone was tugging me or literally dragging me in by my pigtails to meet God. I didn't do anything but hear an invitation from a minister weeks later, but that inward drawing was so real to me weeks before I had heard the message, and literally felt like I had haply fell into the arms of God. I couldn't even sleep. I know that everyone's conversion is different but this is what convienced me about predestination. But He will also save those that call upon the name of the Lord. So maybe it's not either or, about being called, and chosen but both exist.
Quote from: LittleRocketBoy on August 23, 2008, 11:23:55 pmSo how do you think God responds to such a person? Here he is. He thinks he is saved. Been "living for God" the best he can for many years. Does God communicate with Him? Would God in any way bless or show himself to him and in so doing confirm the man's illusion? Would God lead him on by blessing him?
Quote from: Sarah on August 23, 2008, 09:28:28 pmThat's a very interesting question. I guess the stickler there for me is, did they believe in their heart? There are a lot of people who go through the motions. Still pondering that one....
Quote from: LittleRocketBoy on August 24, 2008, 08:47:50 pmThanks everyone. Here is the clincher. What about yourself?
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