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How do you interpret this parable?

Started by AudioArtist, September 19, 2011, 08:00:32 am

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13 “Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour. 14 For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work270 and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money in it. 19 After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, ‘Sir, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 The one with the two talents also came and said, ‘Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.’ 23 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’” (Matthew 25:13-30)

The meaning seems plain to me, but the plain meaning is quite disturbing. However, I also feel I am missing something - and that the key is one “who does not have”. What do you guys make of this passage?

Optimax

I have been ministering in the subject of the Kingdom of God on wen nite for about six weeks now. We have another six or so to go to finish it up.

Like most parables this one and a similar one have to do with the Kingdom of God.
The following is how I see it and taught it in week five.  It is lengthy as both parables one about the talents in Matthew, the other in Luke about the pounds are compared.

Matt 25:14-30

14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

Luke 19:12
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.  KJV

Who is he Nobleman/man traveling?       Represents Jesus
Who are "the servants"?           Represents Christians/saved ones
Where is the "far country"?         Represents Heaven
What are "his goods"?  Lets get more info on this one.

15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

"His goods" here are "talents", given according to each persons several ability.
According to the ability of each one. According as he saw each one was adapted to improve it.
We are not all the same and God does not look at us that way.
That is why we are not to compare ourselves with another, either to build ourselves up, by pointing at someone that in our estimation is "less" than us. Nor when we are "down" by pointing at someone that in our estimation is "more" than us.
What does "talents" mean?  Forget the money, get that out of your thinking. We are not talking money here.
When he "took his journey" where did he go?


Luke 19:13-14
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Here "pounds" are "His goods".
Again forget the dollar value. We are not dealing with money value here.

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.  KJV

Who do the "citizens represent? Unsaved, unchurched.  The people whom he was desirous of ruling but would not accept Him.  So it is true of all sinners that they do not "wish" Jesus to reign over them, and, if it were possible, would cast him off, and never submit to his reign. 

How do you think that message is being sent, even today?

Well, we still do not know what "talents," and "pounds" are.

16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

He is considered worthy to rule over "many things"
Remember last week we saw that we are Kings and Priest and will rule and reign with Him.

Rev 20:4

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

In Mt. 20:21 the faithful servant was made ruler over many things.

Luke 19:15-17
15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.  KJV

What a person reigns/rules over is dependent on what they did with the "talents/pounds" given them!

22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Luke 19:18-19
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.  KJV

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

Luke 19:20-21
20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.  KJV

Does the Lord seem to be hard, rigid, rough, harsh, unjust, demanding, or unfair.  No, He is a Lord of opportunity and reward. His reward has joy.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Luke 19:22-23
22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?    KJV

The one talent person was afraid of Him, feared Him. Never used the talent given him. He did not KNOW THE LORD. He was/is a church attender, a religious person, but one that has not been born again. Has a form of godliness but denies the power thereof which is the Gospel and the Gospel to the unsaved is you must be born again. He represents the unsaved church attenders.

The Lord told him;
I will condemn you out of your own mouth, or, "by your own words" (NEB), 'in accordance with what you yourself just said', 'by what comes-out of your mouth, or, lips' (cp. Kituba, South Toradja); or recasting the sentence structure, "I will use your own words to condemn you" (TEV), 'you yourself are saying with your own mouth what you will be judged by' (Tzeltal); or again, taking a non-personal subject, 'the word you uttered condemns you'

What was said to justify condemned.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

Luke 19:24-27
24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.   KJV
These are the unsaved unchurched.
The judgment of believers for reward and that of the opposing world for condemnation are clearly distinguished here.

First the judgment of the unbeliever. We touched on the Great White Throne Judgment last week.
Not going to spend a lot of time on it but some.

It is not a judge one judge all meeting.  Each person will appear before the Lord. Remember, every knee will bow, every tongue confess that;

Phil 2:9-11
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  KJV

Every unsaved person shall appear before the Lord and be judged according to his works.

Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.  KJV

Remember! They have already rejected Jesus, they did not want Him to rule over them. The only thing left is now their works and they will be judged by them and will be found wanting.  When their works are "laid out" before them, just as the one talent guy made his case, and judgment pronounced by what came out of his own mouth, his own words were used to condemn him, so will it be with each unsaved person. When their works are laid out before them and they make their case their own words will condemn them. 

What are the "talents" and "pounds?"

"Talents/pounds" are terms used to describe the "sphere of grace" a person is given by God and required to fill according to the abilities given.

To better understand lets see when these "graces" are given.

When born physically
Singing, playing an instrument, painting.

When born spiritually there are other abilities received. Prayer
Some are not "usable" until filled with the Spirit. Some are enhanced by the infilling.

"Talents/pounds" describe the "sphere of grace" a person is given by God and required to fill according to the abilities given to do their part in building and advancing the Kingdom of God.

How these graces were used determines ruler ship authority as shown in the parable.
If we are required to use our graces to build and advance the kingdom of God then there would be a "judgment" just as in the parable. That is also when we learn our responsibility.
How those graces were used are works and therefore also have a part in this.
Judgment for reward!

1 Cor 3:10-15
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

Gold, silver, precious stones are:
1. The use of abilities given to build and/or advance the kingdom of God.
2. Good works such as giving to the poor, etc.
3. The works of faith.

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. KJV

Tallen

Quote from: AudioArtist on September 19, 2011, 08:00:32 am
13 "Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour. 14 For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work270 and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money in it. 19 After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, 'Sir, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.' 21 His master answered, 'Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.' 22 The one with the two talents also came and said, 'Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.' 23 His master answered, 'Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.' 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, 'Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.' 26 But his master answered, 'Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn't sow and gather where I didn't scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth'" (Matthew 25:13-30)

The meaning seems plain to me, but the plain meaning is quite disturbing. However, I also feel I am missing something - and that the key is one "who does not have". What do you guys make of this passage?


Wouldn't this be the meaning?

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?  When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.  (Matthew 25:31-46, KJV)
Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  (Romans 8:7, KJV)