Started by Pete, April 17, 2011, 09:40:22 pm
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on April 19, 2011, 11:53:15 am****crickets****LOL - i love that! the first time i use it i'll give you credit - after that it's something I got from God! this is why i don't attend a formal church (was that the sound of rushing air i heard? i know some folks will try to violently inhale all the air out of the room when they read that ) the church i attend is the church of the moment; i attend brief services at the grocery store checkout line, the auto parts store, the bank; with longer, more intense services when i visit my buddies or they visit me, and of course every time i attend HGO to me, this is what the original church was all about - taking church to the world, rather than trying to get the world to attend church by coming to a dedicated facility. not to say that there's not a need for organized groups of believers; i also consider myself to be a 'non-controlled member' of two major ministries - i attend their services daily in my car and other places through my mp3 player, and support them financially as a partner. if i was in driving distance, i'd attend their services. but as far as being a 'member' is concerned, i just don't see this concept in the Word (hats off to you Pastorzzub for the way you described how your church views 'membership'). i've yet to run across a church that doesn't apply a required interpretation of scripture to it's membership requirements, or that doesn't have an additional set of guidelines for members to follow in addition to the Word; to me, there's something wrong with this. and then there's the 'standard' requirement to 'pledge' allegiance to a specific leadership in addition to the Holy Spirit. i have a vision of having a 'meeting house' where people can come as they are (there will be ashtrays and spittoons with a silent but high-efficiency air purification system, as well as recliners with airplane-style folding trays to put your laptop on, or ours if you don't have one - electronic Bibles are far more productive to me than the traditional book), hear a brief message, and then spend most of the time discussing it. the standard 'pulpit' (an OT tradition) lecture doesn't allow the Holy Spirit to speak to the body through whomever He would choose. there will be no alter, no big Bible (that no one can touch), no choir, no robes, no uncomfortable 'pews' with slippery cushions on them, and no cross hanging on the wall (that's food for another thread); no little glasses for grape juice and no little trays for microbiscuits or stale bread - we'll have a meal together with wine or beer or whatever your favorite beverage might be in which we'll honor Jesus and receive freedom from self-condemnation and physical healing as we rejoice in the presence of the Lord our God. no membership, no statement of beliefs, no rules beyond barring the manifestations of the devil (and we'll offer to cast him out first so the enslaved person can stay once set free). hey - put those rocks down! GLY!!!
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on April 21, 2011, 09:22:11 amyes; we'd certainly start out with some scripturally correct praise and worship-style singing. if you didn't have to breathe the smoke, would the ashtrays and spittoons be ok? drinking beer and wine to get drunk would be out - but in some countries beer and/or wine is a part of every meal (Jesus drank wine at the last supper - which was certainly a 'church service'; and he made wine for a marriage feast - and He must have known they were gonna use it to party - think about Deu 14:22-27 - -note verse 26 - and John 2:10). the statement of belief would be that the written word of the Bible is the representation of the living Word of God - that would leave nothing out, yet allow the Holy Spirit to interpret the written word without setting a limit on this from the outset. GLYB!!!
Quote from: pastorzzub on April 18, 2011, 01:37:16 amThe problem isn't church discipline, Pete, that is just the fruit of the problem. The problem is superficial relationships on every level. However, when things are going well we can cover over that rather well. But when church discipline is necessary, the lack of depth in any relationships is then glaringly obvious.
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