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WOW. This is Incredible.

Started by 8 iron, March 04, 2011, 02:07:21 pm

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sharonl

Don't know why they need our DNA - I'm sure it is for one of their take over programs.
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8 iron

That kind of technology is amazing and yet scary as well. I've heard if you have a cell phone the government can track your location 24/7.

bill16652

stay off the grid, this is just one more step of invasive government

8 iron

Quote from: bill16652 on March 04, 2011, 02:50:16 pm
stay off the grid, this is just one more step of invasive government


No kidding. The guberment is already telling us how to operate the bank and who we should and shouldn't be loaning money to.

If we do go outside their guidelines and regulations they make it really hard on us. I'm not kidding, it won't be long before the guberment in running the banks.

I'm sure other people are feeling the pinch from the guberment as well.

Did you know when you open an banking account your name and social security is ran through a guberment agency call OFAC. Your information is released the guberment this way. You are matched against an OFAC list that is put together to catch terrorist or those funding terrorist.

Amazing what goes on the banking industry that the average citizens doesn't realize. Through regulations the guberment has access to your personal information, where you're spending your money and anything else they want to know. This is suppose to be private, but with the guberment, there's always loopholes.

bill16652

Like I said get off the grid leave no trail, use cash, and accept nothing from the government

8 iron

Quote from: bill16652 on March 04, 2011, 03:10:28 pm
Like I said get off the grid leave no trail, use cash, and accept nothing from the government


As a banker it's hard for me to use cash. Sounds odd I know. I never carry cash and haven't in over 5 years. Might need to start back to doing so.

sharonl

With the new Obamacare they will have access to your bank account and can just take money out anytime you need to see a doctor or any kind of medical treatment. It is in the Bill -

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

I can't confirm this - and it is unbelievable to me that this could happen - but a lot has happened in these past 2 years that I never thought could hapen - soooooooo who knows.

Pete is always good at putting down rumors - maybe this is a rumor.
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Pete

Quote from: sharonl on March 04, 2011, 04:48:39 pm
With the new Obamacare they will have access to your bank account and can just take money out anytime you need to see a doctor or any kind of medical treatment. It is in the Bill -

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

I can't confirm this - and it is unbelievable to me that this could happen - but a lot has happened in these past 2 years that I never thought could hapen - soooooooo who knows.

Pete is always good at putting down rumors - maybe this is a rumor.


Hi Sharon,

That's not really a rumor so much as it is a very large over-exaggeration.

Here's something I wrote at CF last March about this very topic;

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...FTR, I absolutely agree that people should educate themselves on this bill, but the problem is, most people are highly exaggerating, either for or against, what is contained in the bill, and NOT truly educating themselves.

If you've spent any time reading this bill, you'll know that you can't just look at page 147 and see what it means, because page 147 might reference Section (1)(a)(2) of the Internal Revenue Code.  So then you have to go look up the IRC and read what it says, and how the healthcare bill pertains to it.  While you're reading that section of the IRC, it may reference yet another bill, and so the chase begins, to try to follow what the bill actually entails.  It is a remarkably arduous process.

For example, does this bill grant the government "...direct, real-time access to all individual  bank accounts for electronic funds transfer..." as some email forwards have indicated?  Curious, I checked it out, and this what the bill actually says;

‘‘(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in
order to allow automated reconciliation with the
related health care payment and remittance ad-
vice;
Source: http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf Page 79, Lines 13-16


Note that the bill enables electronic funds transfers to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payments.  This is a heckuva lot different than the government having, "real-time access" to your bank account.  It simply says that payments can be made via EFT, which is not all that much unlike signing up for EFT with your utility companies.

This is just one example.  There are many.  This is the kind of exaggeration that seriously undermines any real and valid objections.

And I'm in a lose-lose situation.  If I dare to point out any of the exaggerations in favor of focusing on the legitimate concerns, I get accused of "defending" this bill.  If I say nothing, then the hysteria distracts from the real issues.

That's what I'm trying to say.  I am as against this bill as the next person, but I think people are going about it all wrong, and actually undermining their efforts by the sensationalism...


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sharonl

I figured as much - I looked it up and Snopes says it is a mixture of truth - but it is not right as quoted. I won't delete it - I'll leave it so people can see how rumors get started without checking it out.
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