Started by AudioArtist, February 16, 2011, 11:36:35 am
Quote from: LittleRocketBoy on April 27, 2011, 10:07:52 pmThe word sovereignty does not exist in the KJV of the Bible.
Quote from: JohnDB on April 29, 2011, 08:40:14 pmGod had other plans and either willingly with a glad heart or angry and in a rage you will do exactly as God had planned for you.
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on April 30, 2011, 10:07:26 am Is this what the scriptures reflect?
Quote from: JohnDB on April 29, 2011, 08:40:14 pm...either willingly with a glad heart or angry and in a rage you will do exactly as God had planned for you.
Quote from: JohnDB on April 30, 2011, 03:11:28 pmas far as the rest of what you wrote...I think you are being misled by some writing styles of different Hebrew periods. Their language was highly metaphoric and flowery in nature. Just because the Bible says that God is angry doesn't mean that God is angry beyond being out of control or lashes out in anger. Far from it. God is immutable....meaning God never changes.
Quote from: JohnDB on April 30, 2011, 03:11:28 pmMost Importantly: God is always good...God cannot be bad because God is too busy being infinitely good.
Quote from: JohnDB on April 30, 2011, 03:11:28 pmAnd when it comes to the Chess match of encouraging a particular behavioral choice or actionable choice out of someone... Omniscience and Timelessness do come in real handy now don't they?
Quote from: DiscipleHeLovesToo on May 01, 2011, 12:14:27 am hmm; maybe i'm misunderstanding you; are you saying that whatever God has planned for every individual will come to pass?
Quoteyou lost me on that - where did i write about God being angry? are you implying that i need a theologian's understanding of ancient writing techniques to help me understand scripture? Surely you know that the Holy Spirit is perfectly capable of translating ancient hebrew and greek into modern-day redneck
QuoteGod never changes - agreed! agreed! if you're saying that God resorts to threats and intimidation when things don't go as He plans for an individual, I do not see that at all - did i misunderstand what you meant?
Quote from: JohnDB on May 01, 2011, 08:45:37 amYES, There is no one that can thwart God's plans in any shape, form, or fashion. A person can do the tasks assigned to them willingly and with a glad heart or as in Sampson's case...totally frustrated, angry, and with a cold heart.
Quote from: JohnDB on May 01, 2011, 08:45:37 amI was using "Angry" as an example...but more specifically to the scriptures you used...God cannot be surprised. You can't give Jesus a surprise birthday party because when you know everything hundreds to thousands of years into the future...kinda takes the surprise out of it. So when God says that "it didn't enter into his mind"...it is just a figure of speech.
Quote from: JohnDB on May 01, 2011, 08:45:37 amAs for Saul...Saul was appointed to be a military commander...not a King. Either Saul took the position or the people made Saul King...or a combination of both but God didn't appoint Saul as King...hence his mental breakdown. remember him taking off the robes and singing and dancing with the prophets while David was busy getting all of the Kingly armaments and leadership roles?...it was all part of a grand design by God.
Quote from: JohnDB on May 01, 2011, 08:45:37 amGod doesn't have bad days. God always does good to and for everyone. People are the ones who do bad things.
Quote from: JohnDB on May 01, 2011, 08:45:37 amThe Earth is also holy and is always looking to get rid of the unholy man who dares put his foot upon it. Holy is not an inert state of being...it has a very positive reaction to error should it come up...and man is highly in error. Soooo the earth is looking to wipe mankind out. What currently keeps all of mankind alive since Adam is what I termed "Common Grace" (for lack of a better word). God keeps the Earth from destroying us up to a point. We cross over the line by interfering with God's plans...NOT A GOOD THING. God has been busy keeping mankind alive and executing his plan for man's salvation since before the fall. In Genesis we see that God created the light on the first day. This isn't God creating the sun...this is the very first mention of Jesus. This is where God had already made the plan to send his son to die by crucifixion before the very foundations of the earth were even laid. God knew our wicked nature was going to evolve and need salvation. If God knows the number of hairs on your head I would dare say that God knows the color of the car you will buy in ten years. In short:All of mankind either willingly or unwillingly are here to give glory and honor to God...either by noble means or ignoble. That choice is clearly ours.
QuoteJob 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
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