Started by Neph, March 03, 2009, 12:43:08 am
Quote from: bill16652 on March 03, 2009, 09:40:42 amI believe when it is saying that we have to remember that Jesus laid aside His divinity to come to earth as a man so therefore He was tempted and could have made the wrong choices so as He grew and stayed sinless He grew in Gods favor as the man part of Him
Quote from: Alpine on March 03, 2009, 10:47:05 amWell, this brings other issues to mind. Did Jesus lay aside His divinity when He came to earth? I am inclined to say no.
Quote from: Alpine on March 03, 2009, 08:25:24 amThat's a tough one. Almost seems like a saying from those days. A way of saying how one is respected by the public and the religious community.
Quote from: bill16652 on March 03, 2009, 11:02:52 amIf He didnt then He could not sin or be tempted as a man so He could not relate to our struggles. Satan would have every right to cry foul.
Quote from: Neph on March 03, 2009, 12:43:08 amLuke 2:52, And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. Ok, I can see Jesus growing in favor with men, but with God also? Does this mean that Jesus had less favor with God as a baby and God gave him more and more favor as He grew up?
Quote from: bill16652 on March 03, 2009, 01:30:35 pmHe voluntarily laid it aside so He could redeem mankind and yes He was devine but also man, but it was only as a man that He could even be tempted. If He was devine then how could satan think that death would hold Him? The only reason death had no claim to Him was because He was sinless.
Quote from: Wordsmith on March 03, 2009, 01:53:43 pmI believe that Jesus always had favor with God by the fact of being the first born of God. But he also had to have the ability in the flesh to not do the will of God, or He couldn't be tempted. It would be a moot point and a waste of time for Satan to even try. Jesus said, "I only do what I see my Father doing." He was doing what He saw His Father doing even at the young age of 12 teaching in the temple. Scripture speaks about the people being amazed at His teaching and wisdom even at that early age.
Quote from: bill16652 on March 03, 2009, 05:57:53 pmHe is divine and was man. When God sent Him He voluntarily laid aside His divinity to operate as we do. His power was by the Holy Spirit and Goast not by His divinity. His favor with God was by His obedience to His word and He could have chosen not to and the only way to do that was by beiing a man.
Quote from: bill16652 on March 03, 2009, 06:53:32 pmLets phrase it this way that He was divine but was capable of sin as a man. I have to ask you that if you believe He was in His divine nature then how could He sin? How could He relate with our struggles or pay the price for us?
Quote from: bill16652 on March 03, 2009, 09:24:38 pmPerhaps but we do know that the bible tells us He was capable of sin, that He felt our infirmities, that He was rtempted. How do you tempt someone who is not capable of sin? If divine why did the Holy Spirit come down on Him ? You see I know that He is God but He was also man. One of the reasons His linage was so important was prophecy and to show He was man. Saean is not stupid by any means and would not have wasted his time tempting Jesus if He could not sin
Quote from: Neph on March 03, 2009, 05:58:20 pmSo as Jesus stayed totally within the will of God, and walked without sin, and remained perfect like the Father is perfect, God increasingly became pleased in him?
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