Started by Leah, November 17, 2008, 12:18:46 am
Quote from: Imana on November 17, 2008, 07:31:58 pmAnd what does IOW mean?
Quote from: Pete on November 17, 2008, 07:41:00 pmJohn 20:23 (AMP) [Now having received the Holy Spirit, and being led and directed by Him] if you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of anyone, they are retained. This is an interesting passage of scripture. It seems to be saying that if WE forgive sins (as being led and directed by the Holy Spirit to do so), that they are forgiven. Think about that! As directed by the Holy Spirit, we can forgive sins, or hold them against people. leadworship had some very good thoughts on this scripture. Maybe he'll pop in and share them.
Quote from: leadworship on November 17, 2008, 11:24:49 pmThat I do! I'll be back tonight or tomorrow with a response - and a report on what I believe Holy Spirit has revealed to me in this verse. God Bless you ALL!!
Quote from: The Lord is my banner on November 18, 2008, 04:04:43 amSigh. The Bible seems more full than ever of difficult, difficult things that I once thought I "got" but now see I never really understood. It wearies me.
Quote from: churchlady on November 18, 2008, 12:50:06 pmSorry guys, I don't think the scriptures back up the belief that Satan has been offered forgiveness.
Quote from: Pete on November 18, 2008, 01:27:13 pmIt sounds weird, it makes our minds go tilt, and it makes people leave our church screaming loudly as they go.But consider the alternative; Is God harboring unforgiveness toward Satan?
Quote from: leadworship on November 18, 2008, 03:18:37 pm"Does God have unforgiveness towards Satan?" I would say that it's a non-issue.
Quote from: leadworship on November 18, 2008, 03:30:50 pmAlso, for your viewing pleasure and edited out, here's how another member at those other forums views Satan in regards to this whole mess. I plucked this from a cherry bush, confronted on it and got no response. I removed names for anonymity sake, but you might easily guess who it is. User: It started out as this unfortunate incident and it just grew from there. Friend: why do Satan and God never try talking then, to "work things out'? User: The more Lucifer tried to get to the bottom of it, the worse They blew Him off User: Because God can "never be wrong". User: His way of talking it out is to "show Lucifer the error of his thoughts" User: Not to listen and understand and just say He is SORRY -- because God never apologizes. User: Because God is perfect and believes He does no wrong User: And needs everyone else to believe it too Friend: but you do not believe it? User: [Well according to conventional theology,] He would rather torture Lucifer for eternity and then destroy this beautiful, most beautiful of all archangels, then simply admit He had ANY part in causing Lucifer's pain Friend: Wow. I don't know what to say User: Well now you know the Family Business. L . O . L. Makes me want to puke.
Quote from: leadworship on November 18, 2008, 03:26:05 pmOne more comment on John 20:23: How often did Jesus forgive sins - as often or moreso than he healed people? Think about it - which is the greater, or are they tied together? As for the latter part of that verse, I am still praying for revelation and instruction on when it would apply. I struggle with the notion to withhold forgiveness from people, however we have that jurisdiction if led so by Holy Spirit. How awesome is that - that we might be integral in forgiveness that shoots directly to the throne of grace breaking every blockage and detour on the way up. Amazing!
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