Started by Pete, November 05, 2008, 10:49:23 pm
Quote from: Prosperity on November 07, 2008, 10:34:37 amThis is the same old argument, under a different color of paint, that we can't leg legelat morality, which isn't true because we do all the time. We can and have legislated much of God's word and many principles derived from God's word. You can't force people to love by any legal system, but, but through the law you can male acts of love a far more attractive proposition.
Quote from: Wordsmith on November 07, 2008, 03:05:25 pmThe scriptures tell us to pray for our leaders. Those that are in authority and in the decision making positions, but do we get what we want when we live in a democracy? When it's the majority that decides these things by vote? When this was written people had kings over them that made the laws and had the final say. People had no say whatsoever, so their kings needed to be prayed for because it was their decision that was final. So what do we pray for now, concerning our leaders, when we have a type government where the population decides? We don't have any leaders that aren't willing to go by those that are screaming the loudest. So maybe we are praying for the wrong people assuming it's our leaders that have the final say. Start praying for the population instead, that covers our type of government.
QuoteThe problem I have with this line of thought is that it fosters a "what's in it for me" attitude. IOW, I'll Love you if there's some reason for me to do so. That's not God's Love. God's Love is unconditional. There are indeed rewards and inheritances that come from God's Love, but they are not the reason for His Love. IOW, I believe that when we make acts of Love a more attractive proposition by offering some incentive to Love, we have violated the perfect, unconditional Love that God has for us, and put the focus, not on others, but on what we can get out of Loving. That same unconditional Love that He Loves us with is supposed to shine through us.
QuoteHe Loves us. Period. No strings attached. We should do the same for others.
Quote from: jeolmstead on November 07, 2008, 05:25:00 pmHere's something to chew on for awhile. "A primary agent for the propagandizing of technique in modern society is the involvement of people in participatory politics, especially in democratic societies where people are led to believe that it is "governance by the people for the people." Politics gives the individuals within society the illusion of freedom by having a sense of effectual participation. The "political illusion" of popular participation, popular control by the people, and collective problem-solving of social problems, falsely fulfills the need that individuals have for meaning, importance, effectiveness and security, leading them to surrender themselves all the more to the politicized state and the technicized system. When all values are cast in political form, and all hopes are directed toward political solutions, believed to be on the verge of realization, politics becomes the "supreme religion of this age," propagating its "myth of the solution" for all social problems, despite the inability of politics to deal with good and evil, personal character, or the meaning and quality of life." James A Fowler John O.
Quote from: Prosperity on November 07, 2008, 07:11:56 pmWell Pete, I guess you have never had a gun pointed to you head. When someone points a gun to your head and tells you not to act in a loving way to someone, I expect you would be less likely to act in a loving way to someone than if you knew that nothing wold happen to you if you acted in a loving way to someone. Sorry about the sentence structure, but I wanted to be clear. How you in anyway tied what you said to the following statement to anything I said is beyond me. Here we go again. LOL
Quote from: Pete on November 07, 2008, 09:39:50 pmGod doesn't want us holding guns to people's heads to make them act Loving. That's not Love at all. It's coercion, counterfeit, fake, and a poor substitue for the perfect Love that casts out fear, along with the fear of punishment, that we should all strive to walk in.
Quote from: Prosperity on November 07, 2008, 07:11:56 pmWell Pete, I guess you have never had a gun pointed to you head. When someone points a gun to your head and tells you not to act in a loving way to someone, I expect you would be less likely to act in a loving way to someone than if you knew that nothing wold happen to you if you acted in a loving way to someone. Sorry about the sentence structure, but I wanted to be clear.
Quote from: Pete on November 07, 2008, 10:45:38 pm You want to try to rephrase that and run that by me again? If you wanted to be clear, that sentence structure wasn't the way to do it...
Quote from: David on November 05, 2008, 11:47:59 pmNo offense taken, but I believe you are off base. God did NOT put Obama in office - lazy, misled, blinded and disobedient Christians did. People can twist it all they want, but God does not go against free will. He will allow ignorant people to make choices and He will honor those choices.
Quote from: Imana on November 08, 2008, 08:37:04 pmHold up, you're saying I'm lazy, miseld, blinded and disobediant now?! Cuz I voted for him, you know.
Quote from: DianeL on November 09, 2008, 08:29:19 amoh boy, this is good..... sums it up for what I think of political forum.
Quote from: Prosperity on November 07, 2008, 02:12:40 pmSo what is your point. Are you making some equivocation to assert that God does not want a legal system in this country based on his word?
Quote from: Prosperity on November 09, 2008, 12:24:23 pmWhy did you vote for Berry?
Quote from: Prosperity on November 09, 2008, 12:39:30 pmWhy do posts keep disappearing on this thread?
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