Started by Prosperity, November 03, 2008, 09:50:47 pm
Quote from: Pete on November 04, 2008, 01:04:04 amNo offense, but that article is one big manipulative attempt using FUD to lobby people to vote for their guns. Statements such as, "...However, with all of the issues surrounding this election, there is really only ONE issue that is the Litmus Test of Freedom and that issue is ..." and "...Anyone who owns a gun should understand this: Ultimately, your freedom and your ability to protect your family rests in keeping your gun in YOUR hands and not the hands of the government..." are clearly a group with one agenda; being able to keep their concealed weapons. The 8-points in the alleged life cycle, while are an interesting theory, are just that. I clicked on the article hoping to find a further explanation, with examples showing this life cycle in practice in past civilizations. But what I found was an article charged with emotional rhetoric, and nothing to actually back the "life cycle" theory. You might want to check out this sourced article on Snopes, which links you to the book written by Alexander Fraser Tytler where you can search the entire text of the book for yourself, and you'll see that there is nothing remotely similar to what is attributed to him in this alleged theory. Additionally, there are links to the DOJ and NACJD which will show that the murder rates cited are also incorrect. IOW, this article is full of misinformation in an attempt to promote an agenda.
Quote from: Prosperity on November 04, 2008, 10:08:42 amNo need to wear yourself out picking the guy apart, I was just mostly interested in the process, not the accuracy of the entire article:"1. from bondage to spiritual faith; 2. from spiritual faith to great courage; 3. from courage to liberty; 4. from liberty to abundance; 5. from abundance to complacency; 6. from complacency to apathy; 7. from apathy to dependence; 8. from dependence back into bondage." This does seem to describe some of what America has gone through, is going through and will go through. Do you have something agaist guns in the hannds of free men?
Quote from: Alpine on November 04, 2008, 11:16:21 amThis list isn't comparable to the U.S. as it doesn't include the civil war or the strife that led to it and the flaws in our system that allowed racial injustuice for another 100 years.
Quote from: Prosperity on November 04, 2008, 11:28:36 amPicky picky picky again again again! No kidding? It did include the civil war? It didn't include the fact I went to the store last night either. Have you ever heard of a thumbnail sketch. ...neither does it include the current racial injustice against white people today either. So what? It is still an interesting 8 steps to think on. Are you always this fun. ..by the way, racial injustice is has been around for a long time and blacks have hardly been the sole recipient of it. As a matter of fact, it appears that black leaders seem to hate white people more than white leaders hate blacks. According to Calypso Louie, and many other black religious leaders, the white man is the devil, but then again I don't see them breaking down the door to go back to Africa.
Quote from: Pete on November 04, 2008, 10:54:59 amI'm not picking at you, or the article. I'm "exposing the truth" of the article, as someone else called for on another thread. The truth is, some Joe Schmo wrote this "process" down, claimed it was a repeating "cycle", with nothing to back such a claim, stuck it in an email to try and use fear to make people think that we're inevitably headed toward the next step in the "cycle", which is "bondage", as the completely fabricated "cycle" indicates, and the masses swallowed it up as yet another reason to vote against Obama. This is why politics make me sick. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to vote for McCain, without fabricating "cycles" to scare people into voting for him. Things like this make the Republican party (with which I am proudly registered) look desperate and foolish. Politics stinks.
Quote from: Prosperity on November 04, 2008, 04:56:10 pmPete,Actually the truth is it was not Mr. Schmo who chronologicaled this. The list of 8 steps from bondage to liberty and back to bondage were chronicled in the essays of a man named Alexander Tyler well over 200 years ago
Quote from: Pete on November 04, 2008, 05:09:49 pmDavid, The first sentence at the blog post you linked says just the opposite... "Although this information is attributed to Alexander Tyler, I can find no proof that he actually wrote this...." The reason that he can find no proof that he actually wrote it is because he didn't. Again, here is the actual book by Lord Woodhouselee Alexander Fraser Tytler, titled "Universal history, from the creation of the world to the beginning of the eighteenth century" Again, you are welcome to search the entire text of the book yourself at this link; http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=ABW5010.0001.001;cc=moa The 8 steps are not in there. If you search for the word "spiritual", it shows up one time in the book on page 262, and the phrase "spiritual faith" isn't in the 524-page book anywhere. As is the case with most email legends, Mr. Schmo made up 8 steps, attributed the text to some dude that wrote a book, and voila. Instant legend.
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