Quote from: jiminpa on December 08, 2018, 07:35:21 PMOkay, well have fun with that, (seriously, I figure like an Irish bar fight), but I'm not such a strong person in real life, so it's more than a little hypocritical for me to be a keyboard commando. I did once have someone I considered a very good friend because we had frothing at the mouth arguments every day at work, and he made a good case for his position. People at work expected us to come to blows, and that was the opposite of what was going on. We had learned to trust each other enough to go at it and know neither of us meant any harm. I remember it fondly. But I was an entirely different person then.I thought I was getting an apology?
God is both incomprehensibly compassionate and fearsome. He is more moral than you or I can understand. He does not owe either of us an explanation, and we won't understand it if He gives it. If you want to think you are smart enough and moral enough to hold God accountable it won't work out well for you, and sooner or later you will find out that you are neither smart nor moral. That is not a shot, that is reality for us all. It's like when a 3 year old tries to explain justice to an "unfair" parent, only infinitely more so. It's not God who is unjust and doesn't understand, it's us. The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament who walked as one of us and died a horrible death to raise us above our own evilness.
Will I rejoice if you continue on in your assumptions all the way to damnation? absolutely not! If you are determined to set yourself up as your own god all the way to Hell, the most compassionate thing I can do is confront you. I believe that what I said was accurate. I could have said it better, or not at all.
Quote from: jiminpa on December 08, 2018, 06:48:33 PMI'd apologize for saying anything, but you won't see it.No I actually would. You misjudge me because you don't know me. A lot of the posts I recorded here where when I was in the darkest place in my life after my divorce. Then I took a break for a few years. I think you still see me as that black person instead of someone around your own age trying to make it through as best I can, albeit with a different perspective now. I never posted really about my life in the midst of Christianity before so you missed that part of my life. I think if I had then you'd maybe see me as a different person.
Quote from: jiminpa on December 08, 2018, 01:14:37 PMForgiveness is an important topic. Jesus tied us being forgiven to how we forgive. God is both merciful and just, so He forgives, and for those who receive Jesus's payment our sins are not remembered and His justice is satisfied by Jesus's sacrifice. For everyone else His justice is not satisfied and He will poor out the full measure of His wrath at the appointed time. I know you know all of that, and I am just reminding you of the context of forgiveness.
In practical terms, when Jesus walked as one of us He very often deferred judgement until the final judgement, but He did not accept the abuse of the pharisees until it was time to lay Himself down.
I think it was Paul who made the distinction between just punishment and persecution, and I think that it is wise to know the line between forgiveness and enabling. When my parents were murdered I had to work to forgive the man who did it, but I have never felt it is okay to for him to not face the appropriate civil penalty.
Quote from: jiminpa on December 08, 2018, 12:17:55 PMYou are not morally superior to the God of the Bible, and He is not obligated to prove Himself to you, me or anyone, especially if they are dead-set against His existence. The fact is that He could prove Himself to you, explicitly, and you would stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and demand that He go away, then because He did go away you would feel self-satisfied and justified in your criticisms of Him because He did what you demanded.Thanks for your post - I appreciate the time you've taken to consider and formulate a reply.
In the past I have walked on eggshells to try to avoid hurting your very easily triggered feelings, but you actually need someone to tell you that when you go to Hell it will not be because of your moral superiority but because of your absolute arrogance. You have been looking for an excuse to hate everything for a long time, and when you couldn't find one you created one on your own. Congratulations! you are now your own god, and your god is a fool. One day you will face the real God, and your arrogance will crumble and you will know that you are morally inferior, and still cling to your arrogance as it drags you to the abyss.