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General Discussion / Re: Biblical Contradictions
Last post by Pete - February 02, 2021, 08:16:36 pm
Perhaps a good way to start this discussion would be to highlight one of these "contradictions" that you speak of. That way, we can speak specifically about the text instead of providing abstract commentary. So can you list off one or two of the contradictions, and then I'll give you my thoughts.

O0
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General Discussion / Biblical Contradictions
Last post by DavidMcClean - February 02, 2021, 01:55:32 pm
Hi there,

Interested on how you approach the whole subject of "Biblical Contradictions".

Atheists like Matt Dillahunty will suggest for instance a parallel reading of the Gospels - and I must admit I've done that and it is truly disturbing how many there are.

(Leaving aside the Gospels a quick Google search shows something like this : 101 Contradictions in the Bible. (answering-christianity.com))

Now of course believing that scripture is inspired and perfect then the "contradictions" must only be "apparent contradictions" that deserve an explanation that turns out to be then "not a contradiction".

One of the common explanations is that "the eye witness accounts in the Gospels - having differing details actually proves that the accounts are genuine".

For instance - if I see a car accident and Pete sees it - he's 400 yards down the road from me - the sun is behind me but it's in his eyes. He says that the "silver car hit the person in the road and sped off and it was a Nissan 370z". I say "the grey car hit the person and it was some sort of Porsche shape" would make sense.

But if Pete said that the car was silver and I said it was a red truck then that's too glaring to be taken seriously. In that case either Pete is wrong, or I am wrong or we are both wrong.

So how do YOU reconcile these differences in a logical and coherent fashion?

Reason I ask - I've been engaged in a conversation with a JW elder for about 4 years now, every few months he calls me and we usually talk for at least an hour about the Bible. We are getting to the point of a zoom call (still in lockdown sadly) and I am try to take my faith much more logically and it's leading me back to these sorts of questions.

I also have a very close friend who is a lead scientist on the Fukishima disaster and also a consultant on the C.E.R.N. project - and very atheistic in her views and only deals in fact and logic - "faith" does not work, it has to be reason-based.

Thanks! (And thanks again for the gracious replies in the other thread!)

Blessings to all

David
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General Discussion / Re: Hi guys
Last post by jiminpa - January 30, 2021, 03:31:57 pm
Hi Dave. I'm glad to hear that you are making peace with God and yourself. It's better for you that way. I apologize for any of my posts that lacked love.
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General Discussion / Re: Hi guys
Last post by Bryan - January 30, 2021, 10:06:34 am
I hold no ill feelings towards you Dave.  None at all.  We have had spirited discussions and disagreements, but that's ok.  I think at the root of it all we each had the best of intentions whether discussing music or religion or just life.  Im too lazy to hold a grudge anyway.  Nah seriously, you are a good man in my book and I have no hard feelings towards you.
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General Discussion / Re: Hi guys
Last post by DavidMcClean - January 29, 2021, 05:11:11 pm
Quote from: Pete on January 29, 2021, 03:27:29 pmHi Dave,

It should be obvious by now that I tend to err on the side of grace. Heck, the name of this place is His GRACE Oasis. ;) And it's not just a name. It's a choice. It's a way of life.

Grace is unmerited and undeserved. We all receive that kind of reckless grace from our heavenly Father, and I firmly believe He expects us to reciprocate that grace to others. So regardless of what transpired in the past, I forgive you. And even if you do fall again, grace will be there waiting to pick you up and give you another chance.

O0

Thanks very much! I really appreciate your reply - I have questioned in the past what is the point of having a forum with only 2-3 people posting regularly.....then I get a reply like this when I'm banned from most of the other "Christian" forums on the internet and it makes sense.

Many thanks - Dave
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General Discussion / Re: Hi guys
Last post by Pete - January 29, 2021, 03:27:29 pm
Hi Dave,

It should be obvious by now that I tend to err on the side of grace. Heck, the name of this place is His GRACE Oasis. ;) And it's not just a name. It's a choice. It's a way of life.

Grace is unmerited and undeserved. We all receive that kind of reckless grace from our heavenly Father, and I firmly believe He expects us to reciprocate that grace to others. So regardless of what transpired in the past, I forgive you. And even if you do fall again, grace will be there waiting to pick you up and give you another chance.

O0
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General Discussion / Hi guys
Last post by DavidMcClean - January 29, 2021, 01:34:11 pm
Hi guys,

I just want to try and say something remotely sensible for once.

A number of you have endured my posts for over ten years. Sometimes they may have been fairly sensible, most of the times they have been hateful, drunken, abusive and downright deceptive. I realise they have come out of hatred, a bad heart and have not been worth reading.

Without going into too much detail I am thankful that I can still post here.

I would like to sincerely apologise. For the last couple of months I've done a LOT of soul searching and have been on my knees a lot. I have realised that despite first becoming born again I've missed a couple of vital points - 

(1) Salvation is not being sorry for sin, it's repenting i.e. not getting to do it again
(2) God is sovereign - something I never heard in 30 years of the charismatic teaching

Part of me even questions was I really born again. I think I was and when I got saved at 20 I grew quickly in a "traditional" church then got swept into extreme charismatic fellowships - that was when I lost out I think.

If you read this and are "charismatic" then don't take offence - I can still "speak in tongues" but I no longer believe in this second blessing - I'm undergoing a seismic shift in my own personal journey and choose not to go down this route any more.

Anyways what I wanted to say was a sincere apology to those on this forum, in particular Pete, Jiminpa and Bryan.

I don't expect a whole rush of acceptance - if I was in your shoes I'd be saying "Yea heard it all before - let's see if it's real this time or translates into actions over the next long time". That's fine - I understand that.

But please accept my sincere apology - it is heartfelt and comes out of a desire at 52 years of age to do the right thing and live a life that is truly "born again".

Dave
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General Discussion / Re: How to approach the Corona...
Last post by jiminpa - January 24, 2021, 09:34:21 am
I'm so sorry to hear that.
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General Discussion / Re: How to approach the Corona...
Last post by LittleRocketBoy - January 21, 2021, 08:56:55 pm
We had a friend pass away today.
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General Discussion / Flaglady?
Last post by jiminpa - January 10, 2021, 09:27:52 am
Hey, are you alright? Do you still check the board?
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