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General Discussion / Re: It's in the Works
Last post by flaglady - August 12, 2020, 04:23:00 pm
Quote from: JohnDB on August 10, 2020, 11:25:35 amIt's in clinical trials.
It works.

Respectfully, I would dispute those two phrases. Being in clinical trials is not a precursor to the success or failure of a drug or vaccine.  In days way back when Jenner developed the small pox vaccine, life was a lot simpler. Such is not the case now. Rules and protocols multiply and for good reasons. Some of the 'vaccines' that have been developed thus far are proving themselves to be either ineffective or harmful. I'm not saying this will be the case with this new treatment. Perhaps it will be fantastically successful but then again, perhaps it won't. So all I am saying is, be cautious and be wary and watchful. This vaccine involves mega-bucks and where there is a lot of money, manufacturers are not to be trusted.
General Discussion / Re: It's in the Works
Last post by JohnDB - August 11, 2020, 09:54:19 am
Quote from: Bryan on August 11, 2020, 07:10:24 amNow the question becomes is it wise to get the vaccine?  A good portion would say no
Historically vaccines for Corona class viruses don't work and usually make the recipients more sick when they contract the virus they are supposed to protect against.

No...I'm not going to take that double shot and subsequent ones.

(It's a series of painful injections)
General Discussion / Re: It's in the Works
Last post by Bryan - August 11, 2020, 07:10:24 am
Now the question becomes is it wise to get the vaccine?  A good portion would say no
General Discussion / It's in the Works
Last post by JohnDB - August 10, 2020, 11:25:35 am
The good news we have been waiting for is on its way...

A cure for Covid-19.

Supplanter (my wife) told me about how Vanderbilt University had done some of the research for this company on this drug.

It's in clinical trials.
It works.

Normalcy is on the horizon.
General Discussion / Re: Retirement Sucks
Last post by JohnDB - August 07, 2020, 05:55:17 pm
And as a side note...

I've gotten the third injection of the stuff on Tuesday of last week...

My knee is definitely feeling better between the inserts in my shoes and the pain except for the atrophy from avoiding using it.

It's still a little stiff but I can handle that a lot easier than the feeling of a cattle prod on my knee every time I use it.
General Discussion / Re: Retirement Sucks
Last post by JohnDB - August 07, 2020, 05:42:07 pm
Quote from: flaglady on August 06, 2020, 03:14:39 pmAre you a chemist?

I'm a recovered chef and Electrician...

Both trades require lots of understanding of chemistry and chemical interactions.

For example...

People love aluminum siding in certain situations. Usually it is used laminating sheetrock.
Now if rainwater comes into contact with it...
It is now what is commonly known as a battery that will interfere with speakers and other signal dependant devices.
To avoid such things some kind of vapor barrier is needed (like silicone) and grounded conduit for the low voltage wiring as all current carries a magnetic charge. (Intended currents or not)

There's a lot of chemistry and physics knowledge needed as an electrician.

Then as a chef I had to understand a lot about what pots I could and not cook in and what the limits of copper is in the kitchen...

Plus all the leavening agents and how they work. (Sodium aluminum sulfate, bicarbonate soda, and etc) as well as how to relax or develop various proteins...acids role in flavors are either fat soluble or water soluble...
And then are the emulsions...water in fat or is it fat in water? There are two kinds.

Yeah...I'm kinda a novice chemist in some ways.
I even know something about volatile chemistry...not that I practice it but I definitely try to avoid those situations. 
General Discussion / Re: Retirement Sucks
Last post by flaglady - August 06, 2020, 03:14:39 pm
Are you a chemist?
General Discussion / Re: Christianity's greatest fa...
Last post by JohnDB - August 06, 2020, 10:49:24 am
I see the problem as mixing Christianity with Politics...

Always is the root of the problem.

What you are talking about is "winds of doctrine" being in conflict with true Christian principles and conflating the issues with current political problems.

During the rennaisance there was a religious upheaval as scriptures were made available to the common man without true hermeneutics being applied as the General Church was unwilling and unprepared to adequately teach these things. (As it would show that the Emporor's clothes were absent)

The Dark Ages were dark from hearing God's well as the understanding of what the scriptures meant. The documents were lost, destroyed, and left uncopied. (No printing presses)

The truth that Jesus was against politics goes unheard regularly.
(It was the means of his crucifixion)

Today we see that the Republicans are more in favor of acting like there is no pandemic and the lives lost weren't valuable to begin with. But Christian principles demand that every life is precious and not to be risked.
The Democrats wish to keep everyone in quarantine in order to exert more control over individuals lives and how the Government says they should behave.

Neither side is right.

I'm on God's side on this. I'm staying out of it.

General Discussion / Re: Christianity's greatest fa...
Last post by Pete - August 06, 2020, 10:24:41 am
I would tend to agree with this. There are a good many Christians in the United States that conflate politics with religion, and it's almost always a bad look.

It's like when people got all upset because organized prayer was taken out of schools. I absolutely agree with that decision. Why? Because I don't want a government institution determining how, when or what my children should pray. As a parent, it is my responsibility, not the school's, to teach my children how to pray. My wife and I teach them, and we've chosen a church that we believe reinforces that teaching. The problem with school-sponsored prayer is which prayer? Generally, when Christians want to assert power on the school or the government, it's not because they want freedom of religion. It's because they want their ideas imposed. And it is remarkably hypocritical.

If you support freedom of religion, then you support the rights of people to practice whatever religion they choose. 

Another hot-button issue is abortion. The issue of voting for the "right" people to end abortion has been the rallying cry of political Christians since Roe v. Wade. But IMHO, this never should have been a political issue. It should be a medical issue. And it should provide an opportunity for us to minister to women considering abortion, to express the importance and value of life. I think by trying to legislate abortion laws, Christians have lost the plot. Legislation and laws do not address the heart, and that is what God cares about.

Instead of trying to force people to conform to our desires, I believe we should Love them and allow the goodness of God to draw them to repentance.

General Discussion / Christianity's greatest failur...
Last post by Bryan - August 05, 2020, 10:13:08 pm
Thinking about Christianity through the years and it seems that Christians from about 300-1800 really caused much more issues and problems than they solved.  Now I dont mean every single onf but rather the "leaders" of the church on earth.

It seems that around 300 that Christian leaders increasingly wanted political power and pull and that desire didnt seem to dissipate until Napoleon conquered Rome and abolished Catholicism in 1803 (year?).

Anyway, religious people in power is dangerous no matter what religion they subscribe to.  Theocracies are commanded no where in scripture and it seems Christians (certainly in America) increasingly want politicians to enact new religious leaning laws.

I'm not a fan of such things.  I wonder if the church would be looked more favorably upon if leaders from the past had been more compassionate and loving instead of power hungry and greedy.  That to me is Christianity's greatest failure.  Power corrupts...
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