Still here, just saying a little less for now.

I don't know that cessationism alone makes one ineligible. Rallying against the Holy Spirit, that, I think, makes one ineligible. If Billy Graham ever spoke blasphemies against God's Spirit I am unaware of it. Cessationism does make one a poor teacher, and in my opinion a poor Christian. Billy Graham wasn't a teacher. He was an evangelist. He did what he was called to do, but he limited himself by his doctrine.

Quote from: Balance on February 21, 2019, 02:56:13 PMIs Billy Graham in heaven?  He was a cessationist.

Thats a good but ultimately pointless question.  Pointless because none of us know.  We can assume he is, because why wouldnt he be?  But none of us know, thats actually the point of my OP.

The NT warns of false doctrine, and wolves in sheeps clothing.  I know BG had quite a rep for his crusades and such, but what was the ultimate end?

Is Billy Graham in heaven?  He was a cessationist.

Hello!  How are you?

Yeah Jo, I wish I thought more like you. I just have a hard time seeing beyond the damage that some theologies are doing to the world and the body of Christ, but I also believe in unity, so I am very conflicted. If it is faith that pleases God, how can we fellowship with unbelief, but if we are to be in unity, how can we not?

That's a good question Bryan. Cessation teaching is active unbelief, and I am convinced that true Calvinism is another gospel and, actually, repackaged fatalism. But what's in the hearts? John MacArthur has gone so far as to hold an anti-Holy Spirit rally, and I believe that everyone who stood on his stage for that is beyond hope, and they are some of the top names, and money, in pop-christianity. I do think that there are those who are just that deceived, and will get to eternity as one passing through fire, but then I'm not so sure that the same thing doesn't apply to me. The problem is that even the sincere ones are still holding up unbelief as religious duty.

It's really starting to bother me again. How can we call ourselves followers of Jesus and then consider it our religious duty to denounce His ministry to the world, and the hurting in the church? The whole mindset is so invasive that those of us actually wanting to believe God are marginalized, and I find myself more mired in religious unbelief than faithfulness.

So something I was thinking about the other day is probably something none of us know but thought I'd ask anyway.

I was thinking about my thread on here where I was describing and detailing my life and past, and the last one I read was about my childhood church, Grace Baptist, and how they would always teach/preach that their beliefs/doctrines alone were the truth, even compared to other Christian sects.

How likely is it that groups such as that will make it to heaven?

Now Im not doubting their sincerity or passion, but to receive redemption and salvation we must be Jesus right?

Walk in live, not hate.  Be redeemers, not destroyers.  Etc.

How is telling someone they are going to hell unless they conform such living?  Especially that one even declares a living faith in Jesus.

For example, cessationists are usually very guilty of this.  Also those who say you must read only the KJV.

Like I said, probably not something we know for certainty but thought itd be interesting to discuss.