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General Category => General Discussion => Deeper Fellowship => Topic started by: Foadle on December 29, 2016, 04:53:58 pm

Title: Some are called to be teachers but nobody needs to be taught
Post by: Foadle on December 29, 2016, 04:53:58 pm

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of hearings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacloth you of all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


So how do you reconcile these two verses?  As this question is multifaceted I will throw out there war I am asking?


1. Why would God set some in the church to be teachers if we don't need any man to teach us?


2. What is the role of a teacher?


3. Where do you draw the line with scripture?  Do we only accept scripture (not just this verse) to a point?  and if so, what is that point?
Title: Re: Some are called to be teachers but nobody needs to be taught
Post by: Optimax on December 30, 2016, 09:27:03 am
Eph 4:11-15
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: KJV

Teachers of the word of God is one of the "gifts" Jesus gave to the Body of Christ, which is the real church.

Teachers are the opportunity for our understanding to be accelerated.

However it is the Holy Spirit in a born again person (Rom 10:9) that reveals what is taught so that a person can understand what is being taught and made the decision if they will choose to believe what is taught.
Title: Re: Some are called to be teachers but nobody needs to be taught
Post by: Bryan on December 30, 2016, 10:00:50 am
I believe one has to do with explaining scriptural truths and the other has to do with being able to evaulate a scriptural truth from a non-scriptural one.

For instance, in 1 John we know the Apostle was combating a sect that claimed divine knowledge and wisdom could be ascertained apart from scriptural means.  John was by no means neglecting the roles of church teachers and the Christ given office of such.  Rather he was saying that the Holy Spirit which lives within every believer will teach each one who listens what teaching is true and from the Father and which teachings were false and from the father of lies.

Paul of course was just explaining that Jesus gives teachers to his body in order that the body may be edified.  The teachers in the church and the Teacher of the Church work hand in hand to build up the believers into a Christlike assembly
Title: Re: Some are called to be teachers but nobody needs to be taught
Post by: Foadle on December 31, 2016, 05:00:54 pm
Thanks guys.  I think it is really starting to make sense now.